Friday, November 11, 2011

What Do You Do When Your HOH REALLY Messes Up?

I've seen the posts about HOH's messing up, and how various people have handled it. I've even written one or two. About recognizing that you won't always agree with everything. About looking at motivation. About focusing on the bigger picture, and that yes, sometimes DD gets messy, but love and connection is the most important thing.

But I have to admit I wasn't prepared for this. Or how I would react. So what do you do when it's not about just being punished for something you didn't do, or when a decision  is made you don't agree with, but instead something that leaves you incredibly hurt and angry for days? When he does something that begs for a temporary implementation of the Spencer Spanking Plan?

This event happened a week ago. I've had to take that long before I could process it, or even write about it.  But I think I finally can. I'm ready to move on, and tell you the lessons I've learned. Mainly so if it happens again, I'll be able to reread this post. And if something happens to you that leaves you feeling the same way I did, you'll hopefully be better prepared for it.

So here we go...wait, I forgot to pass around the tissues box. Everyone have one? And oh, we should put on some sappy background music, too. Good. Now I'm ready to explain.
 
If you haven't gathered this information about me, I'm an incredibly sentimental creature. As such, keepsakes are important to me. I still have a shirt that belonged to a friend of mine that died in a car accident while we were in college. It's precious to me, because it belonged to her. I also kept my father's jacket, when he died a little over a year ago, and I still cuddle it close to me when I particularly miss him. And I planned to keep my child's first outfits, and someday give it to him (or most likely his future wife, lol) for his own child.

Jay, on the other hand, is not like me. He doesn't understand attachment to objects. When things are useful (like tools or equipment for fishing or hunting), they have value. But only as long as they have usefulness. Because his life has been difficult, special possessions were always stolen, and he learned not to want them. Not to mention there weren't a lot of happy times in his childhood and early life that he'd ever want to remember anyway. So it's hard to him to understand why I place such value on objects, just because of memories. But I do. That's part of who I am.

So of course I was going to keep my only child's special baby things! I kept the outfit he wore home from the hospital, a few favorites given to me by friends, and ones that particularly meant something to me. Not a lot of them, but I wanted a few to keep in the family. It was important to me. I hung a few up in the closet, and some I stashed in a pile far away from his current clothes. I told Jay they were there.

Saturday I worked a very long eleven hour day. While I was gone, Jay and his sister decided to get together, and clean out the baby room. Without even asking me, they boxed up everything that didn't currently fit him (and I mean EVERYTHING) and put it on the side of the road with a "Free" sign. I wasn't contacted, I had no say, and worst of all, the way they did it, there was no way to track anything.

When I got home that night, and Jay told me what he had done, thinking I would just accept it and get over it. Nope. I was devastated. I was furious! (Maybe change that sappy music to angry music now with loud crescendos?). Yeah, I cried, and I also cussed him out. We had a huge fight, a pre-DD fight. It wasn't pretty. I was hurt, angry, and near hysterical. It wasn't just the loss of priceless possessions either. It was the idea that all of this had been done behind my back, without bothering to even give me a say. I felt devalued, to say the least. Also too, was the idea that, even though I would never turn my back on family, I had wondered what horrible thing would happen while his sister was staying here. It was like my worst fears confirmed.

To explain, my husband seems to lose his head and all form of logic when he gets around his sister. And this is not the first time I have come home and discovered some impulsive thing she convinced him to do that made my life extremely difficult. Jay had assured me that she had changed, that now he knew boundaries, that things would be different this time. I'd finally started to relax in that knowledge. And then guess what? This happened!

So yeah, we had a lot to talk about. His defensiveness escalated with my anger. It wasn't good. At one point in the argument though, he seemed to flip a switch. He began to calm down, and he did apologize. But I was still pretty worked up. I didn't want to listen to anything he had to say, not really. I had just said "whatever" to him, and he flipped me over. I fought against him, tooth and nail. He pinned me down easily, and reached for the paddle.

"You're receiving one swat for each time you've said "whatever" in this conversation. Just four. So you might as well take it, so it's not more later, okay?" His voice was gentle, but firm.

Out of habit derived from a lot of practice, I forced myself to go beyond my current emotions and calm down a little. He actually did the swats relatively light, but I still cried. It wasn't about the pain either. I admit, it shocked me out of my current state. He cuddled me close after. Whispered words of love, and again told me how sorry he was. How the last thing he wanted to do was see me like this.

I listened this time. He told me he thought at the time that he was doing a good thing. Since I'd been so stressed, he thought he'd do something to help, and apparently clearing out the baby room was his way of helping to do that. He didn't think about keepsakes, and didn't remember that I wanted to keep his first clothes. It never occurred to him. He just told his sister to go ahead and clear everything out that was too small, as well as other stuff she thought could go. He even told her to leave the stuffed animals alone because there may be something in there I was attached to (he was right, my bear I'd had when I was a baby was in there).

He opened up about other things, too. He told me how stressed he was at work, which he had hidden before. It was a heart-to-heart conversation, and we were connected as I fell asleep in his arms.

But then the morning came. I woke up, and wished the event that had happened had been a nightmare. I wanted to forget, but I felt powerless to do so. I wondered if I was making too big a deal of things. I wondered why I just couldn't see his intentions weren't bad, and put it behind me.

Instead I found myself crying throughout the day. I tried to stuff my anger. It didn't work. I tried to get back that connectedness that I'd felt the night before, but I just wasn't feeling it, no matter what I did. I came home from work to any empty house, since Jay was visiting his father a few hours away. I was still very much a teary mess, and to be honest, I wasn't sure I was even in the right to feel the feelings I did. So I went on to the Learning Domestic Discipline Network, a place that's become like a second family, and derived strength from the support of my friends, as well as getting some advice.

After Jay came home, and we'd put our child to bed, we spent some time cuddling. There wasn't much more to say. I told him that I so loved him, and that I knew his intentions weren't bad, but that I needed time to process through all this. I explained that I wanted to just forget and move on, but the crushed feelings inside me just didn't seem to get the memo yet. But I was working on it. He said he understood.

I woke up on Monday wanting to fight. Not fight--fight, but just fight everything he said just because he said it. Submission is a struggle for me on a good day. Right then, I was still really hurting, and in spite of myself, still  a little angry, even. The idea of him telling me what to do was not welcome. This is when being in a DD dynamic becomes difficult for me. How do you show respect when you're seething? Obey when it's the LAST thing you want to do? When it doesn't seem fair AT ALL? And every fiber of your being wants to rebel?

I spent a lot of the day on the LDD network and talking to friends, mainly to keep a measure of sanity and perspective. To add to all of this mess, it didn't help too, that I was dealing with my first day home since my husband's new schedule (which meant lectures in the morning, grrr!), and a child who's currently cutting four teeth (poor kid!). So yeah, it added up to me being a pretty emotional mess, to say the least.

The next day was more of the same, although I cried less. Wednesday I was distracted by work all day, which was welcome, and by yesterday, I was back to normal, which was a HUGE relief for me. But admittedly it's been a tough week!

I'm not really sure how to wrap this up other than to say that I'm more than glad it's over! We're connected again. Yes, stress is still going on, and things are tense around here, especially in the mornings (for another post, LOL), but we've moved on. He's learned he ALWAYS needs to include me, no matter how small the decision, if it has anything to do with me, our child, or our family. And especially if it's anything his sister and him get together to do, no matter how insignificant. And I've learned how to work past an incredibly difficult situation, see beyond it, and not let it affect us in the end. That while succeeding (for the most part) to manage it with the DD dynamic. Not an easy feat to master!

I often wish that I wasn't such an emotional creature. That I could just turn my emotions off when I didn't like them, rather than having to go through the painful process of processing. I have trained in the mental health field long enough to know you have to deal with them, though, lest they fester inside, grow, and come out in ways you never intended, and a lot of times, can't even interpret.

Even so, it was hard for me not to want to deny my anger and hurt. I had to accept it's presence, and work through it. Not easy to do, combined with DD! And definitely not easy to do combined with my normal struggle with submission! I also don't like feeling anything between my husband and me; I hate it, in fact. And to me, intentions are everything. If someone does something wrong out of thoughtlessness, which is what this was, I feel guilty for not being able to just get over it, and see it for the mistake it was. Just saying the words, "I'm hurt and angry" is difficult for me. I don't like feeling that way! And then, once I acknowledge it, having to say, "I'm hurt and angry, but I'll be respectful and obey him anyway" and really mean it?! Ack! Not an easy time to go through!

But we learn from the past, right? Bad things will happen, and in spite of our best intentions, we will hurt each other. We'll make each other angry. Our way of life may prevent a lot of that from happening because of the emphasis on communication and openness. But it still happens. As we all know, DD isn't always rosy pathways. This dynamic sometimes makes things messy, trying to balance working through feelings with still not going back to the old ways of handling problems. Sometimes even we may love each other, but at the same time, for whatever reason, can't stand each other!

But then those times pass. Because we're stronger than the struggles we go through, we'll also come back together again, and everything will always be all right. And that's truly what this dynamic is all about. :)

35 comments:

  1. I've said it before, and i will say it again. That is some Spencer worthy stuff right there.
    I'm glad to hear you are starting to feel better about things though.

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  2. I'm proud of you, Kay! On your own and with Jay, you both made some steps forward and didn't revert to old, destructive ways. That's a milestone!

    Now giving away a child's momentos without talking to the mother of said child!! Grrr... I would be very angry and hurt as well! But kudos to Jay for realizing that he will NEVER do that again! Sister or not...

    You tell him, if there is a next time, I'm hoping on a plane with my fist to have a talk with him... :-)

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  3. Oops, sorry, meant to say "with my fisH" not "with my fisT"!!

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  4. Oh honey... I'm so proud of you... you did a lot of work this week, thats why you are so tired!

    You had every right to have the feelings you had, I can't tell you how angry I would be should S do that... here's to hoping I don't ever have to find out!!

    Take care!! ((hugs))

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  5. What a difficult thing to go through. I know that if Michael had done that I would've been devastated. I'm glad that both of you were able to work through it. You should be proud of yourself!

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  6. Wow Kay, that is great that you are able to work through something so incredibly difficult and find a way to get past it. Sounds like you and Jay have made some pretty big strides, I am happy for you both.

    I am very sorry for the loss of your baby's things though, I would be incredibly angry for a very long time if the same thing happened in our household. Just thinking about it, makes my blood pressure rise.

    HUGS!

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  7. LOL FISH! DEAD FISH!

    Kay I'm so happy it's resolved... even if you can't get it back- but we're here for you no matter. And in Return- Thanks for being there when I needed to talk.

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  8. oh that made my heart ache a little. great job sticking in there. that might've done me in. hugs from me.

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  9. I'm sorry you lost the clothes. I also treasure some things and I totally understand. I'm glad that you handled it well though.

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  10. Oh I completely get where you're coming from here. I am the same in terms of keepsakes etc so no matter the intention, this was obviously extremely hard to get past. But through all your (rightly so) hurt and anger, you've managed to work through it and come out the other side with some sort of acceptance. I think Jay has learned a pretty valuable lesson here too.
    And cutting 4 teeth....... aww wee soul!

    Dee x

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  11. Kay,
    What a hard post to read. My heart hurt for you because I would have felt the same way. But...I you handled this so well, worked through it and can even see growth in both of you on the other side. You should be proud of yourself and you deserve a good, long nap!

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  12. Kay, I am so sorry. Some things can never be replaced, but I think in time you will feel more that they were just 'things' that represent the love and the memories...and those are still in your heart. How do you forgive him? I think you look at his intent, and accept that he never meant to hurt you. And of course, as you did, you agree on some ground rules so you feel better understood and respected.

    I could tell you a story that involved my grandmother's antique side table, saved custom kitchen tiles, and a can of spray paint. Let's just say it wasn't pretty! Now, years later we can laugh and shake our heads. That took a while. I am impressed with how you and Jay worked through this together. Sara

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  13. HFM--I know, I acknowledged that, did ya see? And of course, can't say I haven't thought about that comforting idea! Jay for some reason didn't go for it though, lol! Men! Can dish it out but can't take it...;)

    Christina--Thanks! And LMBO! Well, can I just tell you he did it again just so you'll come visit anyway? You don't even have to bring a fish (we have some in the freezer you can thaw out and wield, lol)! :D

    Mikki--Thanks, and oh, I hope you never have to find out either!

    Grace--Yeah, devastated is a good word for how I felt, lol. And I didn't really think about it, but yes, I guess i am proud of myself, of both of us. :)

    Lisa--Thanks, it helps to hear that!

    Pooky--LOL! Yes, and I'm SO thankful for that! Of course you know, anytime! We girls have to help each other out! :D

    CU--Thanks! And hugs back! :)

    Hanna--Thanks! That means a lot. :)

    Dee--Yeah, we both learned a lot! And yeah, poor little guy (although he's happy and giggling up a storm at the moment, lol)!

    Susie--Thanks! Hmmm...I agree; I'll tell my husband that, lol!

    Sara--You're absolutely right, and I'm trying to keep those things in mind. And I would love to hear that story (although oh wow, I can guess what happened! And I imagine it's a lot funnier now than the horror story it was then, lol)!

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  14. I am so sorry you went through this. You handled it wonderfully. I would have been a lot more ummmm yeah... I dont know the word here but Im pretty sure tornado like would have happened.

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  15. My wife has half of the basement full of objects of sentimental value, but I would NOT dare touch ANY of it in order to "secure" more living space! LOL!! I respect her feelings and opinions too well!!!

    Bob.

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  16. Wow, that was dificult even for me to read. I understand how you can feel that way. I would have been hurt too a great deal. Thanks for having the courage to share and help another one of us that might ind ourselves there. Hugs

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  17. Wow Josh at Jdwlvsnpw.blogspot.com was right. Your husband is one heartless piece of s***. he gets pleasure out of causing you pain! If he didn't then he wouldn't ever want to hurt you and never ever would. So he forces a spanking on you. It should he your choice to submit and yours only and never forced. If my husband ever did this he would be very sorry. He would also either be hit with that paddle like he hit me or I would call the cops when he forced me to submit. Your husband has no right to give you rules. Poor thing you will never admit he is abusive but he is. And you let him.

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  18. SAW--Thanks, Jessica! I'm not going to lie, it wasn't easy. But he's such a sweet guy, it's hard to hold a grudge against him for too long, lol.

    Bob--Wise decision! One Jay learned the hard way, lol! Honestly it just didn't occur to him. But your words give me hope that men can be taught! ;)

    Tiffany--Thanks, and I'm just hoping just in case someone else does find themselves in that position, they don't have as hard of a time recovering. We gotta help each other out, you know?

    Anonymous--First of all, I'm cool with dissenting comments, but please keep it respectful, no name calling. Second, you misunderstand. I DID submit of my own free will. We've heavily discussed boundaries, and there's a difference between me resisting and RESISTING because a line's crossed. Both of us know the difference, and if that second is the situation, he would stop immediately. The couple swats he gave were more more to calm me down than anything else, and hardly hurt. It was more a trust exercise than a discipline. And yes, it did work. I appreciate your concern, though, but I assure you, you're completely misunderstanding the situation.

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  19. I'm just finally catching up on posts. This one was certainly very emotional. I'm so sorry you had such a rough time...that just really stinks. If there is a silver lining, it is that you made it through (however bumpy) and though it doesn't seem so right now, you and your baby will make so many more memories...hand drawn cards...bead necklaces...and god only knows what that thing made out of clay is.....I'm glad you're doing better! You and Jay are really learning and growing together and in Dd....I'm gonna have to check out the LDD network soon.

    K's Sweetie

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  20. K's Sweetie--Hi, Stranger! You're absolutely right,(looking forward to his first Christmas, lol) and yes, we are!

    Absolutely, come join us! A lot of us are on there! And you've got to join us for when we all chat in the evenings! It's so amazing! :D

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  21. Interesting that you chose not to respond to senorrose comment. It says something about your marriage. I suggest counseling because your husband seems to have no respect for you. I feel so sad for you and I hope things get better.

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  22. Anonymous--Um...I did respond to Bob's comment. And I'll say it again, my husband made a mistake, not one he's going to make again, because he's learned from it. There were tears in his eyes as he saw what it did to me, and my husband doesn't cry easy. It was never his intention to hurt me, he thought he was actually doing something nice for me. I've made many mistakes too. Just because you love each other doesn't mean that mistakes won't be made. it's how you deal with them--learning not to do it again, and not letting it divide you, letting it actually bring you closer--that makes the difference.

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  23. i love that all the rude comments come from "anonymous", like legit, if you are going to say something excessively rude, that involves calling a loved one an "a**" then put your name to it... just a suggestion.

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  24. Kay, I have had people tell me to take a picture of the cherished item and then throw them out or give them away. I was horrified. A picure may be worth a 1000 words but it is not the same. My husband finally gets it (and my oldest is 18. I have bins of cherished clothing, toys, artwork and stuff that they made. And just to see how bad I am, I cried when I finally gave away my daughter's used baby clothes because I always thought that I would have another daughter.
    You are a so normal and obviously a good mama. I commend you on the way you handled the situation and I have a ton of respect for you since you were also able to stay within the boundaries of DD. And sometimes a light spanking helps when we are getting hysterical. Keep up the good work!

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  25. Abbigail--I know, right? And thanks for having my back!

    Blondie--Hearing that means so much! Thank you! :)

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  26. I tried to point this out to stormy but she ignored answering it, because I guess she is afraid of her husband knowing it. but ultimately it is you who has the control. Because you can pull your consent at anytime if not before a spanking and say no more ever again and he would have to do it. With our laws there is nothing he can do about it. Does he realize really he has no real control? My ex husband felt it was a man's right to lead his family and discipline as he saw fit when a woman didn't submit. I got out sighing a month. I was not gonna go through him inflicting any kind of pain on me. Now with my marriage I have now, he is a gentle man who works through my sassy mouth without resorting to violence. Since you clearly don't enjoy the spankings at all, why does he want to still inflict pain on you? Some of your posts have commented how he has unmercifully smiled and spanked. And before I get a comment about how I post as anonymous and can't give my name: my name is Danielle.

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  27. Sorry I didn't reread my comment. I meant to say I got out that marriage after only a month.

    Danielle

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  28. Hi, Danielle, I'm not sure if you erased your comment or not, as I got it, but can't find it on here. But it sounds like you didn't mean to, so I want to give you an answer, if that's ok.

    First of all, thank you for commenting. And for leaving your name! I think I should mention that I started thinking the same way. Big into equal rights. Submission was a VERY dirty word to me, lol. But we were having some problems. And I tried this way in a last minute of desperation and only as a temporary 40 day experiment. The result of my experiment though, shocked me and changed my view on everything. You're absolutely right--we as women ultimately have the control. We (all of us, not just me) have given what we term "blanket consent" which means that we agree to the DD terms completely. But yeah, we can't just back out before a spanking. We're emotional right then, and not thinking clearly. Even spankos will try to back out before a spanking! (and then get upset if their husband backs down, lol). I'll be very honest. I don't like the actual spanking. But I absolutely like the effect that the spanking has on our relationship, on how I've become a better person because of it, and I'm 100% in agreement with this lifestyle.

    If you want to better understand my viewpoint and role in this, read my first couple posts and maybe my Year Ago posts (and don't get hung up spanking during pregnancy thing, he barely gave me a couple swats then, because he was cautious too).

    But my point is, I've had a say in this from the beginning. And every rule that he makes has a reason. It's not to make him more powerful, or I would have something to say about it! And absolutely, if I asked him to stop, he would.

    About him smiling when spanking me--yeah he enjoys those little ones. These are the light ones, that I don't even feel five minutes after they happen, lol. He discovered that he liked spanking me recently (he used to be reluctant). But he still HATES punishing me. Those are the hard ones, to cement in a lesson. He also jokes around a lot. And he teases a lot. That doesn't mean he's serious. And he knows I know that. He's being playful, and if he ever crossed a line where I was taking it wrong, he would fix it immediately. He's shown that in the past.

    With your ex, if that was the case, I would have gotten out too. If a husband does it against his wife's wishes (she's doesn't give "blanket consent") then that's not DD. And I'm glad you're happier now.

    DD is not for everyone. I won't deny there's some days that it's harder than others. But it sure beats how things used to be, like profoundly. There's a reason we do it. It's not for everyone, but it works amazing for some of us. :)

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  29. Thanks for answering my question. And if you have a copy if my original comment could you post it so people knew what I was talking about lol. I have no clue, it said it was published, then after I corrected my words it had disappeared.

    My ex told me before hand his beliefs. We just had different beliefs. I have some friends who are very Christian and believe women should submit to their husbands. We try to avoid that topic when we are together lol. It's not that I think it is totally wrong, but for me I like my own control. I don't want to control my Husband now, but I don't think he should tell me what to do. I am a spanko though. But it's different being a spanko and letting your spouse punish you. Erotic spankng is so different. My husband doesn't really ever hurt me play spanking. I have read some DD husbands comment a Rude women they saw needed a spanking. I never agree with this. If the women consents, fine, but never do I agree with a man just pulling her over and spanking her. Because that may not work, and the man may get arrested or hurt himself when the woman comes up fighting lol. Or it may maidens woman very afraid. Can I ask do you behave out of fear of the spanking? Is that why the spankings are used? Why does it have to involve pain? If discipline must be used, can't he use like non physical puishments?

    Danielle

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  30. Hey nice lady...I gave you a Versatile Blogger Award...check out my blog! xxxx

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  31. Danielle--I found your comment; for some reason it went into my spam folder and I didn't know to check for it there, sorry about that. But on your next comment, I think some of my spanko friends can answer this one better than I can, so as well as giving my view, I'm going to open it up to everyone to answer on my next post. So look for that as soon as I can write it! :)

    Mikki--Awww, thanks! :D

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  32. Hi Kay! I just got my own blog and I mentioned you in my post - I hope you don't mind!!

    I am SO sorry about what happened with your child's clothes! :( I totally understand being attached to things! I still have a plastic water bottle on my night stand from a friend that moved away!! :( I am glad to hear that you guys are working through it though and you will be stronger on the other side! :)

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  33. I already commented here but I've given you a Versatile Blogger Award. Hope you feel better about the whole ordeal!

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  34. Oh Kay :(

    So sorry for you! That hurts my heart to read. I would be so, so upset too! I'm glad you two made it out okay and that he knows not to do that again.

    Hugs!

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  35. JJ--Thanks for your kind words! And welcome to Blogland! Of course I don't mind, in fact I feel honored! :)

    Composing Us--Thank you! You're so sweet! :D

    Heather--Thanks so much! I'm better now though. Still hurts a little when I think about what I lost, but I can't be too unhappy! I've still got his first Christmas to give lots of memories! :) Isn't it exciting?! :)

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