I feel alone, cut off from all my friends. I can't get on my computer or phone for any reason and this just feels brutal. You would think it would motivate me to get this stuff done faster, but all it seems to be doing is leaving me floundering.
There's a part of me that's angry. I don't want to give him the satisfaction of obeying him after he did this to me! He took away my friends! Ugh! But...
There's also a part of me that knows that he's not being unfair, that's he's doing his job, no matter how much I hate it.
DD is hard. There's no question about that. And it calls on you even to do what you know is right because you agreed to, regardless of what he will or won't do. I know some of you violate restriction and it ensues World War III. But for me, most likely if I text or call a few of my friends right now, I doubt it will be judged harshly, if anything beyond a lecture. For how hard this is, I definitely think it would be worth it! Note from now: Wow, was I wrong about what would have happened! I'm so glad I didn't test that theory! Geez! Anyway... Except that I've been learning some things in the past few days. Not just about myself, but about him. About the way he thinks. And it's given me some pause.
At the urging of a friend (thank you, you!), I decided to download the smartphone audio app of the book: Love and Respect by Emerson Eggerichs, after getting Jay's consent to listen to it with me. This was a step out for him, done for my sake, since we've never done this before. But I explained to him that I needed to improve in this area, and that, based on what my friend had said, I thought, if we listened to it as a couple, this might actually help me, and could he please help me in this way? (gotta appeal to that "knight in shining armor" side of every guy, ya know?). We agreed to incorporate it into maintenance on Sunday nights, and yesterday (since I wrote this on Monday) was one of those nights. Jay actually let the app play for way longer than I thought he would and afterward added his own commentary of when he felt disrespected. He explained that he knew I respected him overall (I agreed to DD to prove it, after all), but that there were so many ways things I'd say did exactly what the author talked about. His specific examples were eye opening. But it was after the conversation faded into talking about other things though when I got my real lesson.
Okay, I'm about to violate one of my key principles of things I never talk about, and go in a direction I never go on this blog. I purposely never tell you what goes on in our bedroom sexually for a reason, because, while it may be just fine for other couples, in our case, it's just not for Blogland to know this private part of us. But because this is that important, I feel like I should share it.
Sometimes as Jay and I, are laying in bed together, we will be talking about general things, and he'll grab my hand and have me stroke him. Gently, usually a prelude to other things, but not really going there yet, just more of an intimate thing. Well that night he did this, and as we continued to just discuss stuff, I (extra sweetly massaging) wheedled my way into asking if I could keep my phone. Amused that I was obviously using this intimate moment to elicit his sympathy (hey, it works sometimes, can you blame me?), he gave me an emphatic "no" and oh so patiently told me my efforts were wasted, that he had to stick with what he said. ALL of it, both restriction and that stupid bathbrush. And no computer either, whatsoever, no loopholes allowed (why'd he have to go there, grrr!). He reminded me that he loved me, but that a punishment was not supposed to be fun. He had given me Saturday as a freebie to get as much done as I could, and Sunday, since I had to work all day, he'd even given my phone back for the day, and said I didn't have to work on anything. But our deal was that tomorrow he expected me to work really hard on everything and get as far as possible.
Well, miffed at his not wanting to budge, I muttered, poutily, "I guess I might as well not try at all, since I can't do this anyway. Apparently it doesn't even matter!"
At that moment, I felt my husband go completely limp, and it got extremely quiet. I quelled my attitude instantly, and tried to backpedal QUICK.
"Hon!" I said playfully, trying to lighten the situation, "What are ya going all limp for? Okay, I shouldn't have said that, I was frustrated, and I'm sorry, but geez, you don't have to react that way!"
"You know I don't control that, Kay," he finally said. "That's a physical thing. But that is a perfect illustration of what happens when I feel disrespected."
"But-but I wasn't disrespecting you!," I protested. "Maybe myself, yeah, but not you!"
"Kay," Jay turned his solemn blue eyes to mine, "when I make the decision to ask you to do something, and you respond that it doesn't matter and you might as well not try, you undermine my decision and undermine my authority. You're saying what I asked you to do, my opinion of what I think is important, isn't important enough to you for you to even attempt it. That you're going to continue to do your own thing out of your stubbornness, no matter how it makes me feel, when I'm trying to do the best I can, for us. This job isn't easy. But you not trusting in my judgment, makes it a lot harder. That is disrespect, and you just saw firsthand what it even does to me physically."
That opened up a conversation I will remember for awhile, where I gained a new awareness on what goes on inside his head when I say the things I say. And I got a real wake-up call that night.
I guess I never realized, how great an effect my words and attitude have on him, how for all of how very strong my man is, beneath the "I can do it all" exterior, how also fragile he can be. And that I too, hold his heart in my hands, to either nurture or to crush, the same as he holds mine.
I've seen it several times during these past few days though. That was just the latest thing. I'm learning things from his perspective. Almost every time I've tried to weasel out of a punishment (yeah, I know, I know!), his face has taken on a wearied look. It's pretty clear he hates this ordeal as much as I do.
The first night, I was shocked by how many times he told me that he loved me and he wanted to I make sure I remembered that. He seemed so reluctant and actually needing of my assurance, that I felt I had to put aside my own anxiousness about what I knew was coming, and reaffirm to him that I knew he was just doing what he had to do, that no matter what I portrayed with my attitude in coping with this whole thing, I didn't see him as the enemy. That I knew no matter what, I knew he was doing this for us. He was just following his role, and yes, I was the one that was not doing mine. All of this was hard to say, of course. It's hard to choke that pride down, but it's also what I knew Jay needed to hear. These past few days, I've been reminded how hard his job is, why it's so hard for him to not just give into my pleading and be lenient. Who wants to be the bad guy, especially with the person he loves most fighting him all the time? Who wants the responsibility to make the hard decisions of how to punish, when he has to deal with his wife's clever arguments (I'll toot my horn, I'm a pretty good persuader), her tears, and attitude, even anger, for only doing what his role dictates, for the good of our marriage and family?
Right now, as much as I want so badly for this to be over, I've clearly seen it's hard for him, to, no matter what, to stick to the decision he made, to not give back my precious phone and computer for the length of this, and also to spank tonight if everything's not done (it won't be, I hate to say, and he knows that, but made clear he still has to do what he said he would).
So in all of this: right now, tonight, and until this is over, he will do as his role dictates, and I will do as mine dictates. I'll honor what he has decided and not try to undermine it by disobeying or weaseling out of it. I'll try hard and stuff that tempting inclination to do the opposite, just because I want to not take this lying down (looking back, ironic line to write considering this dynamic, huh?). I'll give him the respect he needs, and the respect he has earned by submitting to this, no matter how much I hate it. And I'll remember that we're both going through this together, it's hard for both of us, not just me. But we'll get through it, together, and yes, be better for it.
As I keep trying to remind myself, in both good times and bad, that's what DD--actually let's go ahead and use Stormy's term, I like it better--that what DH--is all about.
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So anyway, that's what I wrote the other day, word for word, my pep talk to myself, inspiration to keep submitting even when I didn't want to, musings in the midst of it. I must have read those pieces of paper more than five times to try to keep my focus, when I wanted to quit during the day, sometimes out of discouragement, sometimes out of sheer rebellion; when I missed my friends most (yes I'm that pathetic, even those few days felt like forever!); and yeah. before the punishment spankings that I received to cement the message.Ugh!!
What can I say about those five days? Definitely...well, educational. In that it's a lesson I NEVER want to repeat! It's been a tough five days, some of the hardest I've had since I started this dynamic. And not just because of the spankings! My computer is one thing, but I live on my phone. Not having it made me feel like I was going crazy. Yeah, I'm oh so glad it's over, but the reason why I'm publishing this online is that I didn't want to lose the lessons that I learned in the midst of it. So I'm posting what I wrote during it both for me to remember in the future, when times can be hard, and maybe to help someone else out while I'm at it.
I also don't want to forget that side of Jay that I saw this week. I've actually rarely seen him as encouraging and tender as he was this past week, when I needed it most. Too often I forget this is a partnership. I forget, especially when I'm mad about being in trouble, that he's not the Big Bad Wolf, he's a vulnerable human being who's actually hurt by those actions that I choose to do in my selfishness. Okay, knowing my man, I bet he never wants to be thought of as vulnerable, even for my sake. But this week, it really did help to see it. It knocked me out of my "I hate that I'm in trouble mode" to consider what he also was going through. And seeing his response to that book was shocking for me. It opened up a side of him I hadn't seen before, and showed me there's still so much I need to learn about this stuff. Although I will say that learning what I'm learning helps me want to submit, helps me want to give him what he needs, rather than just have him take care of me, and my needs. I want to learn how to show respect, in ways he apparently has always craved, ways I admit I'm still striving to fully grasp.
And oh yeah, just so you know: our bedroom is now unpacked and organized, and will remain that way for a LONG while. And I'll be stepping it up getting the other things he wants done too.
At least, that's definitely the plan. Not just so I don't lose my phone and computer again though, or to avoid that stupid brush. I've got a new reason: it's another way to show the respect I'm learning to give him.
Just remind me of those great lofty words when next I get distracted and need to hear it, k?
And no, helpful people, that doesn't mean in the next five minutes!
I'm pretty sure I can last ten...;)
Glad you survived and that you learned about Jay's vulnerability. It might make life easier for both of you. Good job and lots of luck in keeping things on track.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Sunnygirl! And lol, I'm hoping the same! :)
DeleteSubmission is so sneaky. It requires consistency from both sides, it goes so deep and hits those really vulnerable places. It was interesting to hear how he felt disrespected and I'm really glad you got through your week okay.
ReplyDeleteSo...what do you do now to remember these things? Honestly, is there anything that those of us out here can do to help you keep focused?
It IS sneaky, grrr! About remembering, I honestly don't know, Susie. I always have lofty goals of where I know I want to be, but the slightest test and it seems like all those goals just completely disappear. Writing these things down to read again and again helps though. As does your and everyone's comments, more than you know! And I guess every day, sometimes every moment, I just have to choose to practice these things I learn, to pause and reflect before I act impulsively (like I did two minutes ago, yay!). Definitely not easy though, I wish it was as easy for me as it seems for almost everyone else!
DeleteThis was a nice post, Kay. I mean that in a respectful way. You talked about very private things because you felt they needed to be shared. Sounds like lots of good growth, but I am sorry some parts were hard for you. I hope you and Jay have a great weekend. Thanks for sharing all of your insights and wishing you the best as you go foward.
ReplyDeleteAww, thanks, SNP! Yeah it wasn't an easy post to write, that's for sure, and I almost took it down, but I'm hoping it will help me in the future :)
DeleteI think you made an important discovery, that it is just as hard, if not harder for the HoH as it is for us. It's easy to think that they get to be bossy, and it's easy for them. Leadership is wearing. Susie made a good point as well, that there is vulnerability on both sides, and both parties need to make consistent efforts.
ReplyDeleteYes, absolutely! And yeah, Susie's pretty good at that. ;)
DeleteThank you Kay for sharing. I'm sorry it was such a rough week for you and you were definitely missed. Glad you're back and hope you don't lose computer and/or phone any time soon!
ReplyDeleteI know it was painful to get there, but the communication between you and Jay was beautiful and shows such growth.
Congrats on getting your bedroom unpacked and organized.
If you need reminders or help - just shout - I'll come running and I bet the rest of blogland will also. Have a great weekend.
Blessings,
Cat
Thank you, Cat! The support from you and everyone means so much! And yeah, I might be taking you up on that! :)
DeleteThis is a post that probably most of us needed to read. Sometimes in the beginning of this lifestyle, we tend to get a little self-centered. Thanks for the reminder.. I think I'll get off the computer now, because I'm past my time. God Bless You and Yours, Belle L.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Belle! Hearing that means SO MUCH! God bless you too! :)
DeleteIt sounds like you as a woman and both of you as a couple have done some important work on your relationship, and while you are so greatly missed, its important to focus on what you need to do at home. The friends are still going to be here when you're ready and able to return! We love you!
ReplyDeleteAww, C, thanks! Yeah, knowing that balance is hard, huh? I miss you! Love and hugs! :)
ReplyDeleteYou know it's so true Kay...as confident as they act at times, our words have the power to wound or encourage and build confidence, just as theirs have that same power over us. Looks like there were some big steps taken at your house this week.
ReplyDeleteDH is hard... It has never come easy for me, and for those of us not naturally submissive, I guess it may always be a challenge. What really helps most (i don't want to take credit for something i didn't come up with on my own. I heard this from another commenter on yours or Stormy's blog) is if I look at this as not something he is doing TO me, but look at it as something he is doing FOR me... Or FOR US. This softens my heart and helps put me in the correct mind-set for accepting the punishment better. Not that I like the punishment ... I will always hate that part of it... Ugh! Still the feeling of being looked after, led and guided I can appreciate.
Also, remember that while you were missing your friends, you had your BEST and GREATEST there suffering right along beside you. That's love at its dearest.
I realize that you really have to open up your life and marriage to us when blogging. It's hard to share intimate and private parts of ourselves... especially knowing its going to be scrutinized. I am not sure that could do this. However, please know that is appreciated more than words can say, by those of us who struggle on a daily basis with the same issues that you do. I've learned so much and grown more in the past year than I did in the five years previous. Which some might think is odd since I read yours and Stormy's blogs... But the truth is you are the two I relate with. You are more the norm I believe, than you think you are. You do this thing for real and you are genuine in your imperfections and flaws. I am so appreciative that you are here for me... and If you think I'm grateful... you should talk to my husband.
If you ever do need a reminding just yell real loud (I have to hear you in NC) and I'll come running, my friend.
Love and blessings,
April C.
P. S. I am going to go download Love and Respect as soon as I get off this blog. Just finished the submissive wife, so I might as well stay on a roll.
April, sorry I haven't been able to respond til now, but I can't even express how much I needed to hear words like that right about now. I actually cried when I read it. It does often feel lonely, when I feel anything but the norm, especially when everyone else (besides my twin Stormy, love her too btw) seems to find this submitting thing to be a whole lot easier. And yes, FOR is a whole lot better way of thinking than TO! :)
DeleteUnfortunately I'm only a loudmouth enough to be heard as far as the Midwest, I think, but I'll try to yell loud enough to reach ya, and same, if you need encouragement. Of course, there is this other method called email that might work, and you're always welcome to do that too, just in case you ever want to; it's on my profile ;)
You're such a blessing April, and I've learned so much from you too, just from reading your insightful comments. Still wonder how much more I'd learn from reading your blog though, just sayin' :D
Kay, I'll try to keep this short. First, I admire your resolve and dedication, even when it's so difficult for you, especially sharing your home with your FIL with the history you've had with him.
ReplyDeleteI'm not really sure this will make sense because I haven't formulated my thoughts into coherent sentences, but I'll try to wing it, about what happens with me and epiphanies. I think you had a major epiphany when you saw more deeply into what Jay puts into your marriage, how hard some of it is for him, and how badly you can hurt, irritate or anger him, without realizing you are doing that. Like you, I have these lofty thoughts, realizations, break-thighs, epiphanies, and develop good intentions and wonderful ideals as a results, but life gets in the way. My own little irritants build up, or some slight slams me, or those blasted hormones start thinking they are going to stage a successful coup. My poor little epiphany goes to ground and I forget I even knew her.
Later on, something will happen to remind me that, oh yeah, I KNOW this. I know to say/do/think/feel whatever, or to *not*. I KNOW, I simply bury it when I get sidetracked by my ego train, or I forget when life's little darts are flying at me, or (insert valid reason or lame excuse here).
I don't hold all my epiphanies close in my heart, at the front of my thoughts, where they belong and can be readily accessed when I need their reminders. I don't do them justice, and by not giving them the attention they deserve, I am less than who I should be, those I love receive less from me, and ultimately we all suffer for it.
Do I have a solution? I thought about using Post-It Notes to display my epiphanies around the house. This seemed simpler than cross-stitching them into cloth and framing them, or tatooing them down my arms. Being silly. Actually, no, I have no good answer except to write them down, revisit them frequently, add analogies to them, take them out and practice them often. Good enough idea, right? Do I do that? Nope. Sigh. But, I should - that or something else that would effectively cement them in my mind and heart, indelibly imprint them on my soul and psyche.
I how you didn't mind me adding my loosely assembled thoughts to your ponder pile here. You received some really good comments from everyone else. If my words didn't add value, perhaps knowing you have my support and prayers will help a little, and a {hug}.
Irishey
Silly Irishey! Your words ALWAYS have value! And yeah, exactly the same with me and epiphanies, grrrr! But yeah, at least writing them down helps a little. The one good thing about me is that even though I'm quick to get in trouble, if someone or even my own convictions remind me of something, I can often do a quick reverse. It's just pausing to let that happen that's the problem, lol. So reading what I wrote and the comments after help that. Plus I have people who will actually remind me of what I write on here, lol, including one who will pick words of mine to read back to me when I'm struggling (and I the same for her)! But it's a daily, sometimes hourly struggle at times, that's for sure! A little bit easier each day as I put what I learn into practice though (I hope).
ReplyDeleteThank you for your support and prayers! It's so appreciated! :)
One thing I will say is that I did NOT like that book, although it had a good idea, the author tries to make it seem like men NEED sex and that is not true or Biblical, and he almost makes it seem like women don't need respect and men don't need love, which isn 't true.
ReplyDeleteHmm, on the respect and love thing, I was skeptical about that too before starting the book, because I've heard that. But he did spell out several times since we started it (we're only on Chapter 5 I think), that both are absolutely needed, but he's emphasizing the parts more misunderstood.
ReplyDeleteAbout sex, we haven't gotten to that part yet, but my husband would disagree with you I think, lol. We've actually had debates about this. I've come to the conclusion that at least some guys do apparently need it, within marriage. Jay says that I don't fully understand how guys think. That within a marriage, for a guy, it cheapens the intimacy. He says there's a lot more wrapped up in it for a guy too, like self-esteem, since it's a rejection of him as a man. And it is biblical, that we're not supposed to deprive each other except when fasting for a reason. Anyway, that's my take on it. We'll see what the book says when we get there. :)
Dear Kay,
ReplyDeleteAlready said it on another post, but I love your blog. So glad I found you!
maryann